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Posted 7/16/2007 9:25:35 PM
Honda Wizard Tech

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what it is: A mariage of stock honda accord peices put together to make something that really shouldn't exist... i.e. a torque monster "big block"

my power goal: 200whp, 185 wtq with no VTEC, boost, or spray, all on 93 octane.

87mm bore x 97 mm stroke SOHC, 2306cc, non-VTEC engine. It will have about 10:1 compression, and a 6500 to 7000 rpm redline

Parts:

2001 Accord F23A1 Engine block, bored 1mm over (have)
1998 Accord F23A1 97mm crank (have)
1998 Accord F23A1 Rods, cryo-treated (have, need to be sent to cryo'd)
2005 Accord K24A4 Pistons/Rings (have, need rings)
1990 Accord F22A1 Head (I have my reasons) (have, need sent to machine shop)
1993 Accord F22A4 Exhaust Manifold (may an ebay header instead?) (have ebay header)

I lied, there are some parts other than from accords
1992 Prelude Si Intake Manifold, gasket matched (have, need to gasket match)
1992 Prelude Si Throttle Body bored 2mm over by maxbore (have, need to send out)
1993 JDM H22 345cc injectors
199x Chipped P06 to run Hondata S200 (have, need to have re-chipped to P06)

Aftermarket goodies:

ACL Race Bearings (have)

Bisimoto Engineering Stage 2 cam
SPECS: Lift IN/EX     Dur. IN/EX
           0.374/0.396    229/229
The cam is good sized. I'll still have an idle, and I don't have to mill the head to make it fit. This cam makes power from 3500 rpm to 7000 rpm. In dyno tests it made 26 whp on a stock f22a1, more on high compression motors.

Bisimoto Engineering Ungraded Valve Springs (good for 10,600 rpm )
Bisimoto Engineering non-slip cam gear

^^^Notice, no plurals. Makes the valve terrain 1/2 as expensive, 95% as good, and much simpler. The stock f22a1 head flows 98% of what a stock h23a1 head does. The f head has more potential for flow than the h head based on internal geometry. The same manifolds are used on both heads. Plus I get to keep my power steering.

More goodies:

Bisimoto Engineering Phenolic Intake manifold gasket (like hondata)
MSD 6A digital ignition, cap and wires (at some point)
Aluminum Racing Radiator
Oil Cooler
Extra Gauges (have, installed)
Poly Filled motor mounts

If I get bored, this could be a turbo motor up to about 265 whp when the rods fail. I could use nitrous instead since hondata controls it.

This has been done very similarlly before, but it used h22a4 pistons which stick out of the block .043". The k24 pistons fit exactly like stock f23 pistons. That motor made 165whp and 169 wtq on stock cams (h23 head), 11.2 compression, and street tuned on an SAFC. With 3 dyno pulls worth of tuning on a chipped p06 (chrome used to tune) it made 183whp and 171wtq. Now with Crower 3 cams/springs/retainers it makes 200whp and 183wtq with only another 3 pulls worth of tuning... nearly all of it fuel tuning. That version has survived 26k miles, 1200+ of them on a track.

Hopefully I'll start fitting the lower end this weekend, and I'll send the rods out next week, and the head the week after. Before anyone asks, I'm not being sponsored by Bisimoto Engineering. He just happens to know his shit about the non vtec sohc motors that fit accords and preludes.

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Posted 7/16/2007 9:26:13 PM
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Yeah for Pixors! Not very impressive since they are all stock honda peices.  I'll get better pics when everything finally shows up and comes back from the machine shop. My $25 digicamera is teh suxors! Guess it's going back.

ACL race bearings Bearings

97mm F23A1 crankshaft, straight out of a 100k mile motor. Going to shop wednesday

Nippon Racing H22 Type S piston (P5M casting), wrist pin, locks, and rings. The skirts are coated  :tu:

K20A3 (PNA casting) with 1500 miles on them. Look good/new.

Blacktrax Stage2 manifold. Waiting for a spacer.




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Posted 7/16/2007 9:26:32 PM
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Posted 7/16/2007 9:26:52 PM
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Posted 7/18/2007 4:53:34 PM


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WOW!   Burt, I want to ride in it.

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Posted 7/18/2007 8:12:47 PM
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Can do Kristen... only if you can get me k24 rings for cheap when the time comes.

 I'm adding another part to my list... ARP Rod bolts. I know bolts from a k24 fit, and rumor has it b18 rod bolts fit too. There isn't much of a wish there, but more of a necesity. These rods need all the help they can get.

Also, in the interest of time, I'm only going to do what's necessary to get the thing running and racing by end of summer. Other things like the ignition, intake manifold, and a few other things (maybe the valve springs and/or Bisi cam) will wait until the winter when the car is parked. If I wait on the valve terrain, I'll substitute a Delta 272 cam for $86 until I pop for all of the good stuff. I'm told the 272 cam and Bisi stage 2 cam will not break a healthy stock valve spring. I'm also looking into subing h22 or h23 valve springs into the f22 head.

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Posted 7/22/2007 5:05:31 PM
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Ok, may have a new part to add... Walboro fuel pump. I think mine has taken a shit.

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Posted 8/12/2007 10:16:16 PM
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Update:

K24A4 pistons won't work. They have some weird ass valve releifs that will hit the head. Supposedly honda did this to help aid in detonation control.

I have 4 options:

1) Invest in TSX pistons... that will put my CR at around 10.6:1 They cost about $50/each plus rings at $35/each

2) Invest in CR-V pistons... that won't change my CR. I can probably find them used, but new they're the same price as the TSX pistons.

3) Custom head work to fit h22 pistons in the engine. This will bump the CR way up... somewhere around 12:1

4) Thick-ass head gasket to make up for the h22 pistons comming out of the block. This is probably the cheapest and simpest route since I have new h22 pistons/rings already mounted on rods. This would put CR near 12:1 as well.

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Posted 8/17/2007 8:10:42 AM
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Ok, new though after raiding honda's parts bins...

This will make use parts from 4 different engines...

f23 block

f23 crank

k20a3 rods from an 03 civic si

JDM h22a pistons

h23a1 head

It all fits in the block (actually .038" in the block for plenty of clearance), nets 10.9:1 compression with a stock head, is plenty strong (k20a3 rods will handle lots of abuse/revs)

I like this... no custom milling, no huge head gasket, and an even more bizare engine.

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Posted 8/17/2007 8:59:43 AM


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^wow, this should be interesting.

When you planning on putting everything together?



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